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Its Sunday night here. I'm going to take licence and tell a yarn. One of my mentors, been dead for 15 years. When he first started out, he'd take on all and any work. Some of which was government, up to and including jig boring type work. He used to tell me how he got away with it, by not moving the table. but by moving the work via Jo / gage / gauge blocks. (I'm bi-lingual when it comes to precision). All of it with a bridgeport.

Seems to have worked, his company is now one of the premier engineering companies in town. Run by his sons and grandkids. Up to and including. You know how the Aussies are called Allies. We bought a weekends worth of production of that F35 Joint Strike fighter plane. Quid pro quo (And even I didn't know i could speak Latin.) We have a certain amount of engineering going on around town.
 
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Not having a quill makes horizontal holes suck. I considered making a mount for a second head on the side of the main casting once upon a time. Now I have a H-V machine so I don't have to think about that any more. I had a Wells 860 with a H spindle for a while and never used it, so I guess I don't need one. What I need is more room so I don't have to sell anything ever.
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You could just buy a Horizontal boring mill....they have a quill.....
 
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Do you have too much floorspace? Are typical machine tools and machine tool accessories just too light and easy to find for you?

Then a HBM is just what you need!

Not only can an HBM do almost any machining operation you can conceive on almost any size part, but it can also be an immovable 20 ton table surface to set shit on you're not sure what to do with!

All those giant angle plates, toolholder shaped objects, large metal things that could be for a big lathe or a mill that get sold as part of a lot with useful stuff at auctions- Nobody really knows what they are- People are going to give those things to you now whether you like it or not!

BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BORING MILL!

Rush to get yours today!
 
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Make sure you get one big enough that has the seat to ride up/down on the head.....:ROFLMAO:
 
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Then a HBM is just what you need!
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Yep, i could have bought one for $7 , yes $7 dollars at auction.
Had the tailstock and all the other goodies. ways were still showing flaking from the head out.
Not sure what "size" it was but the column was about 10'/12' or so high, I think was 25 or so ft long.

Rigging was $3500 I believe......was going to buy it but ......it was either that or sacrifice my "Automotive Bay"
I decided a lift and all the related auto equipment was more important than the big ol HBM
 
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Doug said:
You could just buy a Horizontal boring mill....they have a quill.....
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I don't need any more enabling of my machinery habit, thank you very much just the same. :)
In the meantime I'm making do with this. CNC and a handwheel is almost as good as a quill. Mostly.

I'm remembering now that I have a smaller Deckel that does indeed have a H quill. Forgot that one because it's not together. Iron multiplies like rabbits if you don't constantly get rid of it.

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MwTech Inc said:
Yep, i could have bought one for $7 , yes $7 dollars at auction.
Had the tailstock and all the other goodies. ways were still showing flaking from the head out.
Not sure what "size" it was but the column was about 10'/12' or so high, I think was 25 or so ft long.

Rigging was $3500 I believe......was going to buy it but ......it was either that or sacrifice my "Automotive Bay"
I decided a lift and all the related auto equipment was more important than the big ol HBM
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My 21 tons of Kuraki was $1200+$500 loading+$600 trucking.

I probably could have made more with a second Automotive lift bay lol.
 
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We bought a weekends worth of production of that F35 Joint Strike fighter plane. Quid pro quo (And even I didn't know i could speak Latin.) We have a certain amount of engineering going on around town.
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Monday morning, 6am, I'm driving South East, down a freeway, Hearing about this factory that has been over run by protesters. All fucking 8 of them that has climbed onto the roof. Wasn't going there, but wish I was. As it turns out I know a little bit about pick axe handles, and fire hoses being from Scottish / German mix of blood and growing up in bush fire country,

Here's the local news link.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/b...-protest/840e37bf-39e9-46cc-ae41-e18581735586

Turkeys are squatting on a perfectly noble engineering company.

I luv free speech. But roof tops? Kinda counter intuitive to the Israel- Palestine thing. I would have thought they preferred tunnels.

That's the sort of company I get to install machine in, whilst I've not been personally involved. Pretty sure they had the bomb release latch contract F35.. This was what the protest was about. Climb on the roof of a True and Noble company. And complain F35 planes where dropping bombs. I could't be sure, but I don/t think you need anything as advanced as an F35 in the current conflict.

Post edit. They did come down when they were hungry. I believe one arrest.
 
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Machtool said:
Monday morning, 6am, I'm driving South East, down a freeway, Hearing about this factory that has been over run by protesters. All fucking 8 of them that has climbed onto the roof. Wasn't going there, but wish I was. As it turns out I know a little bit about pick axe handles, and fire hoses being from Scottish / German mix of blood and growing up in bush fire country,

Here's the local news link.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/b...-protest/840e37bf-39e9-46cc-ae41-e18581735586

Turkeys are squatting on a perfectly noble engineering company.

I luv free speech. But roof tops? Kinda counter intuitive to the Israel- Palestine thing. I would have thought they preferred tunnels.

That's the sort of company I get to install machine in, whilst I've not been personally involved. Pretty sure they had the bomb release latch contract F35.. This was what the protest was about. Climb on the roof of a True and Noble company. And complain F35 planes where dropping bombs. I could't be sure, but I don/t think you need anything as advanced as an F35 in the current conflict.

Post edit. They did come down when they were hungry. I believe one arrest.
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I'm surprised they found out what was being made in there. I would have expected there to be some "non-disclosure" paperwork involved in producing those types of parts that would have kept it from becoming public knowledge.
 
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I'm surprised they found out what was being made in there. I would have expected there to be some "non-disclosure" paperwork involved in producing those types of parts that would have kept it from becoming public knowledge.
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Loose lips sink ships. When you have dozens or hundreds of employees it only takes one telling things to the wrong person.
 
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A good friend of mine made products for government agencies you're not allowed to talk about. He gets a call from a competitor asking who does his machinework and sheetmetal. "I do". He says. Guy asks if he wants to do all thiers as well.

Shop doing the work was doing a great job and growing to keep up with demand. Just moved closer to thier big customer and built a big shop. A journalist interviewed the owner and came and took pictures. The newspaper article mentioned the parts you can't talk about and even had pictures of them.

Big company was fucking livid. Pulled all work. Gave it all to my friend. Job shop was shuttered before they even really got going at new location.
 
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Garwood said:
A good friend of mine made products for government agencies you're not allowed to talk about. He gets a call from a competitor asking who does his machinework and sheetmetal. "I do". He says. Guy asks if he wants to do all thiers as well.

Shop doing the work was doing a great job and growing to keep up with demand. Just moved closer to thier big customer and built a big shop. A journalist interviewed the owner and came and took pictures. The newspaper article mentioned the parts you can't talk about and even had pictures of them.

Big company was fucking livid. Pulled all work. Gave it all to my friend. Job shop was shuttered before they even really got going at new location.
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It happens for sure.

Years ago we almost lost our best customer when our sales guy at the time put pictures of their parts up on our facebook page. Luckily, we had a really good relationship with them and I was able to profusely apologise enough for them to let it go with just an NCR/CAR and a promise of "won't happen again".
 
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My 21 tons of Kuraki was $1200+$500 loading+$600 trucking.

I probably could have made more with a second Automotive lift bay lol.
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But where would be the joy be in that? Since Harbour Freight, every second home garage has one of those.? (Or so I'm guessing). My Urban planning knowledge of the US, equates to what I learnt about of Hill Valley from Back to the Future.

You can get up every morning, slap your self on the chest and say "I own a Kuraki". I've laid hands on them on a maintenance perspective. They are on the highest end of build quality. In my opinion surpassing Makino.
 
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Kuraki is really good iron, but no way, no how, better than Makino. At one time, the shop I retired from had 21 of them so plenty of experience. 19 were VMCs of various sizes from 700mm to 2000mm X travels and 2 were HBMs.
 
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