Forum Guidelines

[Admin]

Welcome to the Machinist Boards and we are appreciate all of our visitors and participants. Below is some general common sense guidelines that we would like everyone to adhere to so everyone enjoys their time here. We appreciate any suggestions you may have and look forward to hearing them so we may add to the sticky.

1. Absolutely no SPAMMING. The entire reason this site was created is many of the other machinist forums have relaxed their moderating of post. If you SPAM a post trying to promote your product it will be forwarded to over a dozen Chinese knockoff sites. This site cost time and money to develop and maintain. If you have a product you want to sell contact an Admin for add space.​
2. Shop banter, Hey, Nothing wrong with busting some balls on occasion and taking a dig at someone but out right hateful remarks toward another member is a no no. If you’re in the manufacturing field then you should be able to take most of what other craftsmen can dish out. If someone hurts your feelings here with simple shop talk then you may want to look into another career.​
3. Politics, A little is fine as it is essential to any area of manufacturing. Keep it civil, Everyone in here is an adult I would hope and should understand everyones entitled to their own opinion but not entitled to force it down anyone else's throat.​
4. Thread titles, Make sure a new thread is well defined on what you are trying to achieve. "Need Help" is not going to work.​

There will be a few more basic guidelines in the future and like I said, Send Suggestions. But for the most part it's just common sense.

 

[Herding Cats]

Welcome to the Machinist Boards and we are appreciate all of our visitors and participants. Below is some general common sense guidelines that we would like everyone to adhere to so everyone enjoys their time here. We appreciate any suggestions you may have and look forward to hearing them so we may add to the sticky.

1. Absolutely no SPAMMING. The entire reason this site was created is many of the other machinist forums have relaxed their moderating of post. If you SPAM a post trying to promote your product it will be forwarded to over a dozen Chinese knockoff sites. This site cost time and money to develop and maintain. If you have a product you want to sell contact an Admin for add space.​
2. Shop banter, Hey, Nothing wrong with busting some balls on occasion and taking a dig at someone but out right hateful remarks toward another member is a no no. If you’re in the manufacturing field then you should be able to take most of what other craftsmen can dish out. If someone hurts your feelings here with simple shop talk then you may want to look into another career.​
3. Politics, A little is fine as it is essential to any area of manufacturing. Keep it civil, Everyone in here is an adult I would hope and should understand everyones entitled to their own opinion but not entitled to force it down anyone else's throat.​
4. Thread titles, Make sure a new thread is well defined on what you are trying to achieve. "Need Help" is not going to work.​

There will be a few more basic guidelines in the future and like I said, Send Suggestions. But for the most part it's just common sense.

 

[ChipSplitter]

AMEN

 

[Herding Cats]

The following has not been an issue here but I think it's noteworthy.

Few things are more frustrating than when you have a problem and search for a thread, find someone that had the same issue only to find their response to be never-mind, I figured it out or no more responses.

If you post a question and then figure out the answer please take a few minutes with a follow up post on what the solution was in the hopes of making it easier for the next guy.

 

[Litlerob1]

Are we not going to add a statement about---uhhm shitty equipment? Whatever we want to call it. G-coder regularly works in China, I wouldn't want to offend him. Do we want open discussion on Chinese junk? There, I said it.

 

[Dualkit]

Are we not going to add a statement about---uhhm shitty equipment? Whatever we want to call it. G-coder regularly works in China, I wouldn't want to offend him. Do we want open discussion on Chinese junk? There, I said it.

Through an ex-friend (fallout from trying to partner up on some business deals) who installed and serviced USA made custom circuit board testing equipment whose company sold to China , I learned quite a bit about "Chinese junk." He did service and installs and regularly visited China, unfortunately in turn his company started sourcing parts from China, eliminating their Swiss screw machine department and eliminating all but 2 tool and die maker positions. The department that expanded was receiving inspection. There were actually some large volume parts coming from China that had over a 50% scrap rate, but they were so cheap it was a cost saving to buy them from China and pay people to sort them, compared to running them in house. The two remaining tool and die guys were just used to rework Chinese made tool and die items or remake the ones they could not save.

My friend said it basically boiled down to you get what you pay for. The more difficult tool and die work was sent to shops that charged 50-60 cents on the US dollar and he said a lot of it passed inspection. The 50%+ scrap rate came from shops whose pricing would be down to what a USA shop would pay for tooling, material, and electricity.

The basic blame for "Chinese junk" are the companies that outsource to the low end shops and trust them to make a quality product. They are taking items from low end shops, packaging and selling them with out a stringent quality control system. When I played Dualkit I sold a lot of Chinese made alternators as customers did not want to pay an extra $200 for a kit with a USA made one. Pretty much any alternator bought at an auto parts store comes from just a couple factories in China. I must say, there is nothing that matched a Chinese made reject. More times than I could count I received alternators with broken taps protruding, whomever did that had to know it happened, yet it was boxed and sent on it's way.

I think a thread exposing once trusted companies that now sell inferior products would be a public service.

 

[g-coder05]

Are we not going to add a statement about---uhhm shitty equipment? Whatever we want to call it. G-coder regularly works in China, I wouldn't want to offend him. Do we want open discussion on Chinese junk? There, I said it.

It’s ok to knock Chinese machines. Not sure how many times you’ve been there but they do make some damn nice stuff.

 

[Litlerob1]

Through an ex-friend (fallout from trying to partner up on some business deals) who installed and serviced USA made custom circuit board testing equipment whose company sold to China , I learned quite a bit about "Chinese junk." He did service and installs and regularly visited China, unfortunately in turn his company started sourcing parts from China, eliminating their Swiss screw machine department and eliminating all but 2 tool and die maker positions. The department that expanded was receiving inspection. There were actually some large volume parts coming from China that had over a 50% scrap rate, but they were so cheap it was a cost saving to buy them from China and pay people to sort them, compared to running them in house. The two remaining tool and die guys were just used to rework Chinese made tool and die items or remake the ones they could not save.

My friend said it basically boiled down to you get what you pay for. The more difficult tool and die work was sent to shops that charged 50-60 cents on the US dollar and he said a lot of it passed inspection. The 50%+ scrap rate came from shops whose pricing would be down to what a USA shop would pay for tooling, material, and electricity.

The basic blame for "Chinese junk" are the companies that outsource to the low end shops and trust them to make a quality product. They are taking items from low end shops, packaging and selling them with out a stringent quality control system. When I played Dualkit I sold a lot of Chinese made alternators as customers did not want to pay an extra $200 for a kit with a USA made one. Pretty much any alternator bought at an auto parts store comes from just a couple factories in China. I must say, there is nothing that matched a Chinese made reject. More times than I could count I received alternators with broken taps protruding, whomever did that had to know it happened, yet it was boxed and sent on it's way.

I think a thread exposing once trusted companies that now sell inferior products would be a public service.

But I ain't asking about that. I'm talking about Chinese made Machine Tools. (Insert argument about overall QC standards here). When new guy posts about XYZ machines, expecting reasonable answers....

 

[Herding Cats]

I think it's pretty seldom new guys actually read much of anything before posting.

It's also difficult to simply spell out what qualifies as off limits shit. No doubt amazon bench top jobbies fit the bill.

I believe we have had one bench top guy in the youtube section and I think the members were very professional in explaining this sites intended focus.

So far it has not been an issue. If it becomes one then it will be addressed accordingly.

 

[Herding Cats]

Politics, A little is fine as it is essential to any area of manufacturing. Keep it civil, Everyone in here is an adult I would hope and should understand everyones entitled to their own opinion but not entitled to force it down anyone else's throat.

So basically this means anything political/current events needs to be directly related to manufacturing.

There are oodles of places on the internet where people argue over different opinions/beliefs, this is not one of them.

 

[Yijin Hardware]

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Dear administrator, if our website wants to get your affirmation, such as making some dofollow external links, what should we do? We must strictly abide by your requirements and not damage your image, etc. Wait, we are very willing to cooperate with you

 

[Yijin Hardware]

Dear administrator, if our website wants to get your affirmation, such as making some dofollow external links, what should we do? We must strictly abide by your requirements and not damage your image, etc. Wait, we are very willing to cooperate with you

 

[Yijin Hardware]

Through an ex-friend (fallout from trying to partner up on some business deals) who installed and serviced USA made custom circuit board testing equipment whose company sold to China , I learned quite a bit about "Chinese junk." He did service and installs and regularly visited China, unfortunately in turn his company started sourcing parts from China, eliminating their Swiss screw machine department and eliminating all but 2 tool and die maker positions. The department that expanded was receiving inspection. There were actually some large volume parts coming from China that had over a 50% scrap rate, but they were so cheap it was a cost saving to buy them from China and pay people to sort them, compared to running them in house. The two remaining tool and die guys were just used to rework Chinese made tool and die items or remake the ones they could not save.

My friend said it basically boiled down to you get what you pay for. The more difficult tool and die work was sent to shops that charged 50-60 cents on the US dollar and he said a lot of it passed inspection. The 50%+ scrap rate came from shops whose pricing would be down to what a USA shop would pay for tooling, material, and electricity.

The basic blame for "Chinese junk" are the companies that outsource to the low end shops and trust them to make a quality product. They are taking items from low end shops, packaging and selling them with out a stringent quality control system. When I played Dualkit I sold a lot of Chinese made alternators as customers did not want to pay an extra $200 for a kit with a USA made one. Pretty much any alternator bought at an auto parts store comes from just a couple factories in China. I must say, there is nothing that matched a Chinese made reject. More times than I could count I received alternators with broken taps protruding, whomever did that had to know it happened, yet it was boxed and sent on it's way.

I think a thread exposing once trusted companies that now sell inferior products would be a public service.

It can only be said that friends, bad people and good people exist in all countries. You cannot think that this country is bad because of some bad people. Just like the manufacturing industry, there are manufacturers of CNC machining parts that produce poor quality in China, but relatively, There are also many Chinese CNC machined parts manufacturers whose quality of CNC machined parts is quite acceptable.

 

[Yijin Hardware]

Through an ex-friend (fallout from trying to partner up on some business deals) who installed and serviced USA made custom circuit board testing equipment whose company sold to China , I learned quite a bit about "Chinese junk." He did service and installs and regularly visited China, unfortunately in turn his company started sourcing parts from China, eliminating their Swiss screw machine department and eliminating all but 2 tool and die maker positions. The department that expanded was receiving inspection. There were actually some large volume parts coming from China that had over a 50% scrap rate, but they were so cheap it was a cost saving to buy them from China and pay people to sort them, compared to running them in house. The two remaining tool and die guys were just used to rework Chinese made tool and die items or remake the ones they could not save.

My friend said it basically boiled down to you get what you pay for. The more difficult tool and die work was sent to shops that charged 50-60 cents on the US dollar and he said a lot of it passed inspection. The 50%+ scrap rate came from shops whose pricing would be down to what a USA shop would pay for tooling, material, and electricity.

The basic blame for "Chinese junk" are the companies that outsource to the low end shops and trust them to make a quality product. They are taking items from low end shops, packaging and selling them with out a stringent quality control system. When I played Dualkit I sold a lot of Chinese made alternators as customers did not want to pay an extra $200 for a kit with a USA made one. Pretty much any alternator bought at an auto parts store comes from just a couple factories in China. I must say, there is nothing that matched a Chinese made reject. More times than I could count I received alternators with broken taps protruding, whomever did that had to know it happened, yet it was boxed and sent on it's way.

I think a thread exposing once trusted companies that now sell inferior products would be a public service.

And you just learned from your perspective and other personal channels that many Chinese factories produce bad parts, but you think about why more and more not only the United States and other countries choose to buy parts and machines from China ? Is it really because of poor quality? It's something you deliberately fabricated to discredit Chinese companies. There is an old Chinese saying: the benevolent sees benevolence, the wise sees wisdom

 

[Vancbiker]

Dear administrator, if our website wants to get your affirmation, such as making some dofollow external links, what should we do? We must strictly abide by your requirements and not damage your image, etc. Wait, we are very willing to cooperate with you

You are welcome to post comments that follow the guidelines in the posts above.

Direct links in any posts to your company or your products will not be allowed.

The intent of this forum is to be a place to exchange manufacturing and machining related information not a marketplace.

 

[Yijin Hardware]

You are welcome to post comments that follow the guidelines in the posts above.

Direct links in any posts to your company or your products will not be allowed.

The intent of this forum is to be a place to exchange manufacturing and machining related information not a marketplace.

Okay, got it

 

[Kustomizer]

Did I break the rules here in post 25? It ain't my product but I was excited to find it so I thought I should share.

https://machinistboard.com/index.php?threads/multi-position-quill-stop-for-bridgeport.640/page-2

 

[Vancbiker]

Did I break the rules here in post 25? It ain't my product but I was excited to find it so I thought I should share.

https://machinistboard.com/index.php?threads/multi-position-quill-stop-for-bridgeport.640/page-2

No, as a regular contributor not trying to hawk your products, it is fine to post a link. The forum values this type input. Particularly when the thread has a nice descriptive title. In future, folks will easily find the info via a search.