G08/G09 usage

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Just from reading the first paragraph of each it looks like M94 and M94.2 could be similar to G08 and or G5.1 on a Fanuc. G5.1 P1 being multibuffer and G5.1 Q1 being preceding control. The way my Hiatchi is configured G251 turns of multibuffer which would be G5.1 P1 in series 15 format and G08 P1 Q1-5 turns of different levels of preceding control which would be G5.1 Q1 in series 15 format
 

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I never used them Fanucs either so this is something that is interesting
 

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I believe -4 and 5 are pretty much the same as far as options and codes, Vanbiker might know.
Ive heard some people saying the g8 doesnt change anything but I believe those were the very early year options.
so essentially we have the same fadal control wise.

have you checked your mechanics to make sure everything is up to par ie backlash gib tightness thrust bearing play, as well as coupling fit.?
amp tunning is also a must and its really simple to due.
I did it with the following error display, when I had a tech in to do the ball bar test he did it with a mater and the following error display it was simple I hadnt done it in 2-3 years now.
the amps being tuned makes a huge difference in the way the machine runs it circles as well as angles. providing that the mechanics are all good.

your witness mark as you call it is more of a programming error or mechanics being off..
just remember with a fadal use a lead in, then g03 or what ever the dry pass then lead out with or with out comp and go at least 50% slower in feed on the circles. if you start training yourself to do that when programming it will minimize your witness marks or getting rid of them 100%.

almost every fadal should be able to run perfectly once the mechanics and tunning is done. tuning is free and easy, tighten gibbs is free and easy, the thrust bearings is pretty cheap ( i think 50 bucks a axis maybe 100) and kinda easy.
personally if you want a as perfect as you can fadal get it ball barred it ran me 500 bucks if I recall and money well spent. cause he fine tuned it , checked and tightened gibbs etc.

I believe I have pictures of all the stuff, basically just for my own reference when I was taking stuff apart, if you need them I can try to find them as well as help you out on it

Hope that helps.

Question about the tuning above. I know absolutely nothing about the tuning/electronics side of this machine, or any machine for that matter. The mechanics side, I am not as timid about messing with because it seems intuitive and I'm not a stranger to that type of thing.

However, I am 100% interested in learning more about the other stuff. The amp tuning you mention above piqued my interest as I have done nothing to set this machine up since moving it here besides leveling it. Not sure if it needs it or not.

Pulled out the manuals and opened Google. Found this link: https://fadalparts.net/pages/more-help.htmlbrushless-amplifier-adjustment-/ Seems to match what you describe above.

In the maintenance manual, the procedure states to set the master feedrate clock. Ok, that is in the manual, seems straightforward enough.

For the position loop gain following that, the manual states adjustments are shown using Fluke Model 27. The link I posted above mentions nothing of a voltmeter. It says to adjust until the target value of 595 is displayed.

Question is, can I follow the instructions in the posted link? Or do I need a better quality voltmeter to do this? I currently just have a cheapo $50 HomeDepot meter to do random stuff around the house.

Sorry for the long question, just trying to learn this stuff.
 

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I'm not electronic literiate as far as specs on meters and such, vanbiker would be though. I am sure your meter will be fine.
fadalcnc.com has a good page on tuning amps as well. so read both before you do it.

one thing Instead of the 3" inchs in x y and z, or the 5" on other sites. I use 10" on the x y and z move, this gives me more time to read the following error better and see whats its going over the long run.

The target value is the following error on your display ( this depends on what ball screws you have. I am going to be tied up most the day but will check in the afternoon.

scroll through this as well good info
 

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I voltage reference will give you a good idea of how accurate your meter is. Ideally you want a reference as close to the value you intend to measure as possible.

Most meters have a calibration pot inside them to adjust the reading.

Unlike many other markets there are some cheap electronics test gear that are spot on. But you have no confidence in it until it's verified. When you buy high quality you are really buying confidence. I have a lot of both. My main meter is a Fluke 87 but I have countless cheap ones as well as a Siglent portable scope.
 

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Thanks for the insight Delw, I'm gonna try to get to this, this weekend.
 

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Ive found that software version makes a large difference as well.
I have 2 machines, both AC 4020's, both well maintained.
One has a tendency to slam around with HSM paths, the other is smoooooth even at 400 IPM.
Im wanting to upgrade the SW rev on the 1 machine.
 

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Lot of good info here, thanks all. I ordered new thrust bearings and seals, bellevilles, and some other PM type goods.

Going to check on the backlash values tomorrow when I get back in the shop.
 

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Well those items are still in their box and I never checked the backlash values. BUT! The symptoms are still there. Damnit, it didn't heal itself.
 

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PM sounds good but I would be willing to bet a lot more machinery was "fixed to death" than ever died on its own.
 
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