Just a heads up.... I'm going down south for most of February so hopefully you don't have any install issues.
I bought a Makino today...
- Thread starter Garwood
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Moving in the Makino means moving out the Takisawa mill and Mori SL-2H.
Both of these machines sold with barely enough time to get them ready. The new Takisawa owner wanted to hire me to deliver the machine on the cheap to his home with a stated 8' tall garage door. No problemo. 104" tall machine will get a few inches under 8ft by removing Z servo. Easy.
I ask for photos of the driveway and garage and an actual measurement in exact inches of the garage door height. Ruh Roh Shaggy- We have a 7' door and a big problem with minimal time to sort it out.
New owner comes to look at machine as I suggest a way he could make it squeek under his door by unbolting the entire way carrier and lowering it down, then bolting it back to the column. I supplied him with tools and I went to work machining the support fixture for him. He quickly decided he did not want to do this so I proposed he hire me to do it and he accepted.
Bored and faced this tube to be .01" larger than the spindle nose. Welded it together clamped with 2-4-6 blocks to a big bench so it's reasonable parallel.
Once I set the spindle in the fixture I pulled the 10 M16 bolts and jogged Y+ very carefully. I moved .01" increments and gently pried the headstock away with a screwdriver each movement until the dowel pin was free.
Then I jogged Z+ about 14" until the top two mounting holes lined up with the bottom two mounting holes. I went back to the original Y position I started at and tightened up those 4 bolts.
Now the little Takisawa will fit under an 84" door and the new owner can put it back together using only the machine to re-assemble itself.
3 days until Makino! Super stoked!
Both of these machines sold with barely enough time to get them ready. The new Takisawa owner wanted to hire me to deliver the machine on the cheap to his home with a stated 8' tall garage door. No problemo. 104" tall machine will get a few inches under 8ft by removing Z servo. Easy.
I ask for photos of the driveway and garage and an actual measurement in exact inches of the garage door height. Ruh Roh Shaggy- We have a 7' door and a big problem with minimal time to sort it out.
New owner comes to look at machine as I suggest a way he could make it squeek under his door by unbolting the entire way carrier and lowering it down, then bolting it back to the column. I supplied him with tools and I went to work machining the support fixture for him. He quickly decided he did not want to do this so I proposed he hire me to do it and he accepted.
Bored and faced this tube to be .01" larger than the spindle nose. Welded it together clamped with 2-4-6 blocks to a big bench so it's reasonable parallel.
Once I set the spindle in the fixture I pulled the 10 M16 bolts and jogged Y+ very carefully. I moved .01" increments and gently pried the headstock away with a screwdriver each movement until the dowel pin was free.
Then I jogged Z+ about 14" until the top two mounting holes lined up with the bottom two mounting holes. I went back to the original Y position I started at and tightened up those 4 bolts.
Now the little Takisawa will fit under an 84" door and the new owner can put it back together using only the machine to re-assemble itself.
3 days until Makino! Super stoked!
Mud
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Clever.
Finally some pictures! Sellers are cool with me taking pictures. They wanted me to take pictures of everything as it comes apart, they doubted I could get it running again if I didn't.
As found
Toolchanger removed and Makino up on skates
33 year old Makino spindle taper (like brand new)
This is a 3 point leveling machine (I love that). It was challenging to get up on skates while keeping the skates under the casting. I did it, but I'm wondering if it's acceptable to put the skates under the steel channel frame that extends to the rear of the machine that all the control cabinets are attached to?
I expect loading will be straightforward because the loading door has a steep drop to the driveway. Perfect for a Landoll. However, I'm concerned for unloading that the skate position will cause the bottom of the pallet changer or the rear framework of the machine to drag and hang up as it comes off the Landoll.
An old H300 Kitamura HMC I had was built similarly, but the steel framework on the backside was all 3/4" thick steel plate. The Makino is Steel channel about 5" tall. It is well attached to the machine's base, but it hangs out 3 feet. Wonder what your guys thoughts are on the Makino's steel structure supporting 1/2 the weight of the machine on skates? I believe the machine weighs about 13k, but I cannot find a weight in the books I got with it. It doesn't feel any heavier than that raising it up.
As found
Toolchanger removed and Makino up on skates
33 year old Makino spindle taper (like brand new)
This is a 3 point leveling machine (I love that). It was challenging to get up on skates while keeping the skates under the casting. I did it, but I'm wondering if it's acceptable to put the skates under the steel channel frame that extends to the rear of the machine that all the control cabinets are attached to?
I expect loading will be straightforward because the loading door has a steep drop to the driveway. Perfect for a Landoll. However, I'm concerned for unloading that the skate position will cause the bottom of the pallet changer or the rear framework of the machine to drag and hang up as it comes off the Landoll.
An old H300 Kitamura HMC I had was built similarly, but the steel framework on the backside was all 3/4" thick steel plate. The Makino is Steel channel about 5" tall. It is well attached to the machine's base, but it hangs out 3 feet. Wonder what your guys thoughts are on the Makino's steel structure supporting 1/2 the weight of the machine on skates? I believe the machine weighs about 13k, but I cannot find a weight in the books I got with it. It doesn't feel any heavier than that raising it up.
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Pretty sure I remember jacking or skating under the support frame.
That is a neat little machine.
And you won't find many 30+ year old machines with a spindle taper that looks like that!
I would be just as excited in your shoes, I almost managed to get a nice toshiba HMC in here a few years ago, before the deal fell through I already had about a dozen fixtures modelled. I was gutted we didn't get it, and still want a nice horizontal.
And you won't find many 30+ year old machines with a spindle taper that looks like that!
I would be just as excited in your shoes, I almost managed to get a nice toshiba HMC in here a few years ago, before the deal fell through I already had about a dozen fixtures modelled. I was gutted we didn't get it, and still want a nice horizontal.
Mud
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Looks like an awesome machine. I'm envious!
And, at least up until 8 years ago I can attest that it has never been reground.
Everything went great today except the truck broke down and was 3 hours late. And the driver might consider a career change. Something like a basket weaver or Walmart greater. I cannot believe the guy has a CDL. He would have you believe reverse is just a gear you don't use. Like it's for emergencies or something.
We skated this machine across 3/4 of the 100k sq ft building. That is by far the furthest I moved a machine on skates. We were way behind so I didn't stop for pictures until we had it completely loaded. It went very smooth considering we skated it 1/8 of a mile.
Toolchanger and spindle chiller strapped on the F-350
The truck driver spent over an hour here trying to back this truck into my driveway. This is a 5 minute deal with a Landoll. The same truck and trailer has been here a dozen times atleast. He was such a frustrating person to work with.
Don't laugh, but this is how I got the Makino in the shop. This was a wall until 5:30 this morning. I need another $10k in gravel to get a semi around to the front of my shop where the big door is in the winter. The ground is too soft this time of year. This part of my shop is a 24x30x8 pole building and is coming down this summer to be replaced with a 40x40x12 steel structure. I didn't put much effort into being careful, just made it happen.
We skated this machine across 3/4 of the 100k sq ft building. That is by far the furthest I moved a machine on skates. We were way behind so I didn't stop for pictures until we had it completely loaded. It went very smooth considering we skated it 1/8 of a mile.
Toolchanger and spindle chiller strapped on the F-350
The truck driver spent over an hour here trying to back this truck into my driveway. This is a 5 minute deal with a Landoll. The same truck and trailer has been here a dozen times atleast. He was such a frustrating person to work with.
Don't laugh, but this is how I got the Makino in the shop. This was a wall until 5:30 this morning. I need another $10k in gravel to get a semi around to the front of my shop where the big door is in the winter. The ground is too soft this time of year. This part of my shop is a 24x30x8 pole building and is coming down this summer to be replaced with a 40x40x12 steel structure. I didn't put much effort into being careful, just made it happen.
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Backed up and starting to tilt
When I do this stuff I consider it mandatory to tape any chain connections so they can't fall apart if the winch line goes slack. Landoll winches get serious abuse and it's not uncommon to have a kink in the cable cause a jolt while your letting out the winch.
Pointing out the top of the Landoll frame. I have yet to encounter a machine which I couldn't set atleast two of the skates to run directly on the beams.
Inside the building.
I got it skated through the mess of a shop, past the SL2 and Takisawa waiting to leave and I got the toolchanger and chiller safely unloaded and set by the Makino. I've got my exercise for the day. I will sleep well tonight.
When I do this stuff I consider it mandatory to tape any chain connections so they can't fall apart if the winch line goes slack. Landoll winches get serious abuse and it's not uncommon to have a kink in the cable cause a jolt while your letting out the winch.
Pointing out the top of the Landoll frame. I have yet to encounter a machine which I couldn't set atleast two of the skates to run directly on the beams.
Inside the building.
I got it skated through the mess of a shop, past the SL2 and Takisawa waiting to leave and I got the toolchanger and chiller safely unloaded and set by the Makino. I've got my exercise for the day. I will sleep well tonight.
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Oh and Kevin, thank you and your photographic memory for remembering the Fuji electrical manuals! They gave me a stack of books 4" thick, but I found no Fuji books. I brought up the wiring books a few times and was insistent we take a look before I left. Low and behold there were Fuji electrical diagrams for this machine and they were in a box with an additional 4" stack of books for this machine. I've never had so many books for one machine lol.
A little local knowledge can sometimes be a good thing!
I have been ridiculously busy the last few weeks! It's been one rigging adventure after another, Every big logging outfit I do repair work for has broke something major in the past 2 weeks. Large diameter metric chrome cylinder rod is being trucked in from all over the country and this is tricky since I'm a one man shop. I can't be chained to the shop waiting for a truck to show up so when they do and I'm not here and they don't call I have to track down the stuff and go pick it up at a terminal 40 miles away. There goes half a day!
In trying to get the old Mori SL-2H to it's new home in Texas I have struggled to get trucking and forklift rental to align at all. I thought I had it all sorted out, but the morons at the rental place thought that "Biggest Skytrak you have" meant I wanted the 6k one that has 42' of shooting boom, not the 10K with 40 feet.
So I decided my blood pressure needed a break and I bought a real ugly 1977 Hyster H80C beast of a forklift from a friend for $2k. It was supposed to be long dead and awaiting the next scrap run to clear out an old barn after 30 years of dairy farm duty. After sitting for 10 years the old Continental six torched off immediately with just a new battery and a few gallons of hydraulic fluid. I drove it a half mile down the road (the thing books it in high gear) loaded it on a trailer and hauled it home that day. Pulled the deck plates to empty a can of chain lube on all the stuck linkages, pivot points, slides, etc and the damn thing drives GREAT!
Going to test pick the Sl2 in a few minutes here and if it does it I'm going to track down a master cylinder and wheel cylinders ASAP as the thing has no brakes at all.
In trying to get the old Mori SL-2H to it's new home in Texas I have struggled to get trucking and forklift rental to align at all. I thought I had it all sorted out, but the morons at the rental place thought that "Biggest Skytrak you have" meant I wanted the 6k one that has 42' of shooting boom, not the 10K with 40 feet.
So I decided my blood pressure needed a break and I bought a real ugly 1977 Hyster H80C beast of a forklift from a friend for $2k. It was supposed to be long dead and awaiting the next scrap run to clear out an old barn after 30 years of dairy farm duty. After sitting for 10 years the old Continental six torched off immediately with just a new battery and a few gallons of hydraulic fluid. I drove it a half mile down the road (the thing books it in high gear) loaded it on a trailer and hauled it home that day. Pulled the deck plates to empty a can of chain lube on all the stuck linkages, pivot points, slides, etc and the damn thing drives GREAT!
Going to test pick the Sl2 in a few minutes here and if it does it I'm going to track down a master cylinder and wheel cylinders ASAP as the thing has no brakes at all.
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Hopefully you learned that on a flattish surface. I discovered no brakes on a 12k Hyster while slapping the pedal to the floorboards rolling down a ramp out onto NW26th in Portland. Rolled right out into and across the street. Made a little course correction so as not to hit a parked car across the street and banged into the curb to get stopped.
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Herding Cats
Hardplates
Is it even technically a forklift if the brakes work? 
You've got a good point there!!!!!Is it even technically a forklift if the brakes work?
Oh yeah, I ripped around the 1000 acre farm where I bought it for a bit. The no brakes was interesting coming off the trailer. Used a friends triple equipment trailer with a 16k electric winch. That winch sounded like a turbine spinning up when coming down off the beavertail with a 13k lb Hyster. The winch didn't slow it down one bit. I just dropped the forks and speared them into my gravel driveway to slow me down.
We have flight!
Thanks to 1970's Hyster engineers who put enough steel in this 8500 lb rated machine to handle 9500 pounds of lathe!
I need to cut the fire extinguisher mount off then it will lift up higher. The Mori control console hits the fire extinguisher.
We have flight!
Thanks to 1970's Hyster engineers who put enough steel in this 8500 lb rated machine to handle 9500 pounds of lathe!
I need to cut the fire extinguisher mount off then it will lift up higher. The Mori control console hits the fire extinguisher.
Herding Cats
Hardplates
I recently got a 90s Hyster H40 that is rated at 4K and I have picked over 7K with it and it still had more left as there was still some weight on the back wheels and I hadn't added any counterweight 
I like the Hyster machines
I like the Hyster machines
I had a late 80's S50E Hyster for awhile. It could lift my 42K lb boring mill one side at a time to get skates under it. It had some serious ass to it and more power than a forklift should have. It was ALWAYS spinning the hard tires and getting stuck in my packed gravel driveway. It had this issue where the longer you used it, the higher the idle would go until just shifting from neutral into gear would bury a tire. It was also built for people 5'5" and under I swear. I'm 6'3" and was always bashing my head on the bottom of the cage when I hopped in.I recently got a 90s Hyster H40 that is rated at 4K and I have picked over 7K with it and it still had more left as there was still some weight on the back wheels and I hadn't added any counterweight
I like the Hyster machines
My very first Forklift was a Hyster space saver 2500 with a Continental 4. I wasn't a great fan of the monotrol, but it was better than a stickshift. That was a great little truck. I got my 4k Komatsu and sold the Hysters, but I always missed how smooth that old flathead was. In my opinion the old flatheads on propane are the perfect forklift engine. Butter smooth, run for millenia with zero maintenance and just the right power for a forklift.
