Opinions on Kitamura Mycenter 5X?

[Garwood]

I think you guys are right. I ran a program with lots of tools yesterday with the program edited the same for every tool.

I use a reference tool to set all my tools. The tap that broached into the part was 2" longer than the reference tool. The rest of the tools in that program were shorter than the ref tool.

I'll check out 5006.6 in the parameter manual.

Thanks!!!

 

[Garwood]

This is really neat. If I can get the M6 to work right after an M5/M01 it'll save 5 seconds or more per toolchange. On this machine the swingarm is fast, but the tool in the "waiting pot" has to drop hydraulically and it's pretty slow and this doesn't start to happen until M6 is called. And if I call M6 with the tool at the table it does M19 and drops the wait pot while Z goes home. If I put G28Z0.M19 in the program it does M19, then moves Z, then executes M6, drops the wait pot, etc.

Toolchanges are slow on this big girl. Just trying to cut out some bullshit time from the programs that run often.

 

[Vancbiker]

Some builders include a keeprelay in their ladder logic to select whether the tool stays in the magazine or drops to the ready to change position at a T code call. Might be worth checking.

 

[Garwood]

Off the top of my head I think 5006.6 determines if movement happens with G49 or in the proceeding block commanding movement.

Good memory. It was 0. I changed it to 1. Going to run a program in a minute (gotta change a tap lol).

 

[Garwood]

5006.6 didn't fix it. Still does the same thing.

It's definitely an offset issue now that I watch closely.

 

[Barbter]

Some builders include a keeprelay in their ladder logic to select whether the tool stays in the magazine or drops to the ready to change position at a T code call. Might be worth checking.

Every machine I've had had this as an option.

 

[lobust]

Off the top of my head I think 5006.6 determines if movement happens with G49 or in the proceeding block commanding movement.

5006.6 didn't fix it. Still does the same thing.

It's definitely an offset issue now that I watch closely.

From a quick google, this parameter may not be present on your machine.

From my 0i Model C parameter manual:

The operation of tool length compensation is set as follows:
0 : Tool length compensation is performed by axis movement.
1 : Tool length compensation is performed by shifting the coordinate system.

But in the 16/18i model A parameter manual 5006.6 is empty with no description...

The 16/18i Model B manual lists it the same as my 0i-C...

 

[Herding Cats]

I was working on an 18iMb last. I'll take a look in my 16iMa manual tonight

 

[Garwood]

Is there an easy way to tell a 16i A from a B? I thought it was a B. Machine is 2004.

 

[Herding Cats]

An 04 is likely a B. The back of the control behind the display should say.

 

[Herding Cats]

5008.6 says specified or next block but it isn't clear if it means next block of movement or just next block.

 

[Herding Cats]

5001.6 also looks interesting. I'm not seeing anything obvious that talking about moment when cancelling like there is in the old OTc manuals.

 

[Garwood]

Found these googling G49 movement.

5006.6 = 1
11260.0 = 1
11400.2 = 1

Away from the shop now, but figured I'd look them up in the book and try the others in the AM.

 

[lobust]

An 04 is likely a B. The back of the control behind the display should say.

I'd have thought so too, but from a picture of his panel ITT there was no "-B/C/D" etc. suffix on the yellow sticker above the display, and there has been on every i series control I've had...

Found these googling G49 movement.

5006.6 = 1
11260.0 = 1
11400.2 = 1

Away from the shop now, but figured I'd look them up in the book and try the others in the AM.

I am about 80% sure that those 11xxx parameters only exist on newer controls like the 30i series...

To be clear, 5006.6 on several M controls that I've used applies to G49 AND G43, and 5006.6 = 1 means the Z axis doesn't move when either is called and the Z absolute coordinate changes instead.

It's been close to two decades since I touched a Fanuc M control older than an i-C, what is the default behavior of G43/G49 on older non-i controls?

What happens on your Hitachi Seiki Paul, it's a 16M isn't it?

This is fairly fresh in my mind because the Hyundai-Kia with Oi-C that I bought last year was set 5006.6=0 OOTB and VERY nearly caused me to crash into my tool setter the first time I called G43Hx in MDI...

 

[Herding Cats]

What happens on your Hitachi Seiki Paul, it's a 16M isn't it?

They are a Sigma 16m and 18m which are 16iMa and 18iMa.

The parameters are very similar to fanuc but there are also more.

It's been years but I seem to remember needing to change a 5000 param on one of them to get the display to reconcile the tool length into the position.

I'll have to take a look on Monday.

 

[Garwood]

The control is a 16iM-A built early 2002. Most of the machine components are dated very late 2003 manufacture so Kitamura must have had this control on the shelf for a bit.

All of my Fanuc books that came with the machine are for a model B control. I'll have to shop for the correct ones.

5508.6 and 5001.6 are zeros. I have not changed them to see what effect they have yet. I wanted to look at/punch out the toolchange macro program this morning.

I feel dumb for asking, but how the hell do I do that? On my older machines I remember it being pretty straightforward. This thing shows "O9006 (TOOLCHANGE MACRO)" in the program library, but I can't open it in edit mode or punch it out. I tried turning on PWE and set 3202.4 to 0 with seemingly no change. Obviously doing something wrong and not finding answers in the Kit books or google.

 

[mach ramsey mn]

There is a NE/9, NE/8 parameters tied to the PWE that enable read/write/edit to 8000 and 9000 programs I also believe this may inhibit punching also. This is used to protect probing macros and what not. Further research indicates this is also parameter 3202 and I’ve always seen it marked with a header for both.

 

[Garwood]

There is a NE/9, NE/8 parameters tied to the PWE that enable read/write/edit to 8000 and 9000 programs I also believe this may inhibit punching also. This is used to protect probing macros and what not. Further research indicates this is also parameter 3202 and I’ve always seen it marked with a header for both.

My understanding is 3202.4 covers that??

 

[mach ramsey mn]

3202.5 is NE9 and 3202.0 is NE8 this allows viewing and editing .

 

[Garwood]

3202.5 is NE9 and 3202.0 is NE8 this allows viewing and editing .

Thanks.

On this control 3202.4 is all it has protecting the 9000's. I failed to switch PWE off. That was my problem lol.

So this is all it has for a toolchange program. And this is a subprogram, not a Macro as it's labeled right?

So looking at this code I have two questions-

Can I just delete G49?

If not, would it help to put G49 on its own line, after the G91G28Z0 line, but before M6?

And this is just a minor observation, but why is G28Z0 missing a decimal point? This thing alarms out if I do that in a program.