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One of the things you might look into if you own the property (at least that’s how it works in Minnesota) is to procure some previously experienced load center, disconnects and metering equipment. This can save you several hundreds if not thousand of dollars if you do the wiring your self.
So you mean "perform a Garwood on that job"? :)
 

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If someone here offered to do it for $15k I'd have bitten their hand off...

Here was about the same distance and it cost £40k which is like $50k. That hurt (a lot) but the cost of trying to run a workshop on a phase converter is that it puts such a hard ceiling on the ability to scale up.
I hear you and I agree 100%. A big reason it hasn't happened is my health sucked and I was slowly convincing myself that I was not going to accomplish the things I wanted to in business therefore it was a lot smarter to invest the energy and money I did have into passive income streams like rentals.

My shop is technically a "barn". It's my livelihood and it's operating in a pretty gray area. Upgrading the power means I will have county inspectors inside my barn and it may not quite exactly fit the typical description of what a barn is supposed to be. I feel like my best shot at not getting in deep shit is to completely finish my building inside to a high standard, not have machines wired with exposed 2awg wires hanging from ratchet straps, not have gaps in the walls and temporary doors and garden hoses carrying the well water to my house through the shop because I trenched through the piping underground. I need to take care of those things first. Then atleast when an inspector's here I can say I did the best I could, followed the codes the best I could. If I need to fix something tell me and I'll do it. If it's a half finished shitshow and I have to pull permits to complete all the major work I have left I'm pretty fucked. lol.

And the other big aspect is my business has to pay for the shop and any power upgrades from profits. I make products. I had to downsize what I supported because I just couldn't do it anymore. My main profit center stuff I just couldn't do anymore. I've gotten by on a bunch of small simple things for years now. But now that I feel I can do it all, I've refined and redesigned pretty much everything I used to make and I'm relaunching it all. So I'm choosing to spend money to put products on the shelf instead of upgrading the power. When shit gets real and I need that real 3 phase to run lots of machines at once $15k for 3 phase or $23k for a phase perfect to get me by until the electrician can fit me in is not going to be a big deal.
 

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Why would the county be involved in electrical service to your building?

The co-op came and looked. Said it's okay. Fire it up.
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County is in charge of what's after the meter base as I understand it. Power Co needs to see the county signed off on the install.

I don't know if I could bypass the county inspection.
 

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The rpc run caps were fine. The aluminum junction block in the rpc was installed without any antioxidant goop on the wires. Combine that with the chemicals from a few sets of exploded capacitors and the junction block was a corroded mess. Took half a day to yard this thing out, trim all the wires back, reconnect it all and shove it back in its cave.

The kit is back in action. Regen isn't bouncing the rpc 1" off the floor anymore. The kit spindle sounds better overall actually.

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The pictures don't show it well, but the top leftmost 10g black wire is from the run caps and its burnt to a crisp. I think that was 95% of the problem.
 

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View attachment 3428

I couldn't get it to punch out in the few minutes I had, but here's the factory list. I can probably get what's in the control punched out tomorrow.
Can always just take a pic of the screen with your phone. Let me take a look at the list and I'll let you know what you have
 

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Can always just take a pic of the screen with your phone. Let me take a look at the list and I'll let you know what you have
Well, the way it displays it would be a lot of pictures. I got it to punch
Had to have it in edit, not mdi. Can't upload the file type here. I'll change it and send it.
 

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Can anyone tell me why when this code is run the tap rapids Z- into the part after the M5?

T27
M6
T2
GOG90....................................S400M3
G43H27Z.1M8
G99G84Z-1.6R.1F27.56
LOCATIONS
OF
TAPPED
HOLES......
G80
M5
(Right here M12 tap rapids z negative into the part, overloads z servo about 1.5" deep lol)
M01
T2
M6
 

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Make your G80 line like this: G80G90Z1.0M5
G28G91Z0 M19.
G90

this will get you no z-1.6 into your part.
Every one likes to have thier machines “do” things automatically. I like to tell it what to do so I don’t have any surprises. Tool changes, cancel cutter comp, cancel tool length offsets…
 

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Make your G80 line like this: G80G90Z1.0M5
G28G91Z0 M19.
G90

this will get you no z-1.6 into your part
I normally do a G91G28 Z0. line before the M01, but if I leave it out the toolchange is faster.

I spose what I need to do is add an M19 to my G28Z0. line, but why?

Why in the world does this control think it needs to go Z negative between turning the spindle and ordering a toolchange?
 

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This was the end of my code for drilling/tapping cycles (metric)

X310.95 (last hole position)
G0Z100.M9 (rapid retract clear in Z)
G80 (cancel cycle)
G0G53Z0.M19 (rapid home to toolchange position orientating spindle on the way)

N2T2M6
M1
( T2 yada yada)

But ref your Q....is there something funky in your toolchange macro?

And yes, instead of M5, if you use M19 it should orientate on the retract home?
 

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Some machines if you orient at the Z1.0 line it wants to finish that orientation Before moving to the next line. If you run a tool change macro every block in the macro adds about 300ms to process each block (M/G code) some guys (builders) write the ladder so a M19 gets completed before any move. If time was a huge factor on a turnkey I would run the rpm to the bottom of the range on the z home move then orient. Sometimes pick up a couple seconds. I guess it all depends how much you want to screw around with the program…
 

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Some machines if you orient at the Z1.0 line it wants to finish that orientation Before moving to the next line. If you run a tool change macro every block in the macro adds about 300ms to process each block (M/G code) some guys (builders) write the ladder so a M19 gets completed before any move. If time was a huge factor on a turnkey I would run the rpm to the bottom of the range on the z home move then orient. Sometimes pick up a couple seconds. I guess it all depends how much you want to screw around with the program…
In that instance, you could....as a do it once and forget for ever more....use the 6072>6079 parameter functions for customised M codes.
Create a custom P900X program which is activated by M05.
Then within the program, write
S100 M03 (assuming 100rpm is lowest programmable speed)
M09
M19

Then when at end of program when you call "M05", the hidden 900X program will be activated automatically dropping your rpm to lowest programmable, coolant off and automatically orientating the spindle too.
 

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I suspect the toolchange macro is calling G49 and you have the (really fucking stupid) parameter set that causes machine motion to maintain Z zero when the tool offset (G43/G49) is changed.

A lot of machines come with that parameter set that way OOTB, and I have NO idea why, I always have it set so that G43/G49 update the coordinate system and DON'T move Z.
 

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I suspect the toolchange macro is calling G49 and you have the (really fucking stupid) parameter set that causes machine motion to maintain Z zero when the tool offset (G43/G49) is changed.

A lot of machines come with that parameter set that way OOTB, and I have NO idea why, I always have it set so that G43/G49 update the coordinate system and DON'T move Z.
Off the top of my head I think 5006.6 determines if movement happens with G49 or in the proceeding block commanding movement.
 
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